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	<title>Comments on: 2009 Baltimore City Tax Sale Announced</title>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2009/02/2009-baltimore-tax-sale-date/comment-page-2/#comment-5138</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 21:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh wow so you really have to have a heart of stone to go through with it then. Bc to do anything with the property youve got to kick the people out as well as leave them with a lot of money to pay back, &amp; them not even have collateral to back it up?...geez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wow so you really have to have a heart of stone to go through with it then. Bc to do anything with the property youve got to kick the people out as well as leave them with a lot of money to pay back, &amp; them not even have collateral to back it up?&#8230;geez</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
		<link>http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2009/02/2009-baltimore-tax-sale-date/comment-page-2/#comment-5137</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 21:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,

No that is not quite right. The tax lien or deed holder Does not owe the mortgage - it has been wiped out via tax lien foreclosure or tax deed sale. The previous owner of the property still owes the bank. The bank could go after the previous owner if they chose. 

My point was that the tax sale releases the property as collateral from the mortgage loan. However the borrower (the previous property owner) theoretically still owes the money, just the collateral is gone. 

Please keep in mind that I am familiar with the laws in MD however if you are talking tax deeds you are talking about a different state that may handle things differently. What I say will apply generally and in most states but you need to be familiar with the rules in the particular jurisdiction that you are buying in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>No that is not quite right. The tax lien or deed holder Does not owe the mortgage &#8211; it has been wiped out via tax lien foreclosure or tax deed sale. The previous owner of the property still owes the bank. The bank could go after the previous owner if they chose. </p>
<p>My point was that the tax sale releases the property as collateral from the mortgage loan. However the borrower (the previous property owner) theoretically still owes the money, just the collateral is gone. </p>
<p>Please keep in mind that I am familiar with the laws in MD however if you are talking tax deeds you are talking about a different state that may handle things differently. What I say will apply generally and in most states but you need to be familiar with the rules in the particular jurisdiction that you are buying in.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2009/02/2009-baltimore-tax-sale-date/comment-page-2/#comment-5131</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 10:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhhh i see...so wait, i thought after the redemption period is up, that u own the property free and clear? That since prop taxes have first position over mortgages, the govt wipes away the mortgage. So if u do get a tax deed, get the prop after a year, then YOU are now responsible to continue carrying the mortgage debt? 
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhhh i see&#8230;so wait, i thought after the redemption period is up, that u own the property free and clear? That since prop taxes have first position over mortgages, the govt wipes away the mortgage. So if u do get a tax deed, get the prop after a year, then YOU are now responsible to continue carrying the mortgage debt?<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
		<link>http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2009/02/2009-baltimore-tax-sale-date/comment-page-2/#comment-5123</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,

I don&#039;t know the legalities of something like that, perhaps it could be considered a fraudulent conveyance. However I doubt that is the case, because the mortgage holder has the right to redeem to protect their interest. If the mortgage holder chooses not to redeem and protect their own interest I don&#039;t see where they would have a right to complain. 

However you must understand a tax sale wipes out any claim a mortgage holder has against the property but it  does not necessarily remove personal responsibility for the debt. When you get a &quot;mortgage&quot; there is normally two documents; a note which you are personally responsible for and a mortgage or deed of trust which makes the property collateral for the loan. Just because the collateral is gone doesn&#039;t mean the money isn&#039;t still owed. 

This actually came up recently. I got court decree giving me a tax sale property. I offered to sell it back to the previous owner saying that the mortgage was wiped out.  The lender had loans on two other properties so he didn&#039;t think it would be a good idea.

So I am not sure it is practical, but I really do like your creative thinking.  I wtote a post about something similar here &lt;a href=&quot;http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2008/11/clearing-title-with-tax-lien/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why would you foreclose on yourself?&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the legalities of something like that, perhaps it could be considered a fraudulent conveyance. However I doubt that is the case, because the mortgage holder has the right to redeem to protect their interest. If the mortgage holder chooses not to redeem and protect their own interest I don&#8217;t see where they would have a right to complain. </p>
<p>However you must understand a tax sale wipes out any claim a mortgage holder has against the property but it  does not necessarily remove personal responsibility for the debt. When you get a &#8220;mortgage&#8221; there is normally two documents; a note which you are personally responsible for and a mortgage or deed of trust which makes the property collateral for the loan. Just because the collateral is gone doesn&#8217;t mean the money isn&#8217;t still owed. </p>
<p>This actually came up recently. I got court decree giving me a tax sale property. I offered to sell it back to the previous owner saying that the mortgage was wiped out.  The lender had loans on two other properties so he didn&#8217;t think it would be a good idea.</p>
<p>So I am not sure it is practical, but I really do like your creative thinking.  I wtote a post about something similar here <a href="http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2008/11/clearing-title-with-tax-lien/">Why would you foreclose on yourself?</a></p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2009/02/2009-baltimore-tax-sale-date/comment-page-2/#comment-5081</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 03:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wuddup Ned?! how ya been? So i have a complex, farfetched, even silly, question. Could someone purposely lose their house to a tax deed sale, wait til that person claims their house after a redemption period, (and with the person being someone they know that bought the deed) then have that person sell the house back to them for far less than their mortgage was to begin with? So both sides win. Say theres 100k left on the mortgage, person buys tax deed at 5k, then sells house back to initial owner for 40k...then the tax deed buyer profits, while the owner now has a way less mortgage. Possible? Or fraudulent? Or what? Thanks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wuddup Ned?! how ya been? So i have a complex, farfetched, even silly, question. Could someone purposely lose their house to a tax deed sale, wait til that person claims their house after a redemption period, (and with the person being someone they know that bought the deed) then have that person sell the house back to them for far less than their mortgage was to begin with? So both sides win. Say theres 100k left on the mortgage, person buys tax deed at 5k, then sells house back to initial owner for 40k&#8230;then the tax deed buyer profits, while the owner now has a way less mortgage. Possible? Or fraudulent? Or what? Thanks <img src='http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nico, I see you asked esentially the same question twice. I will answer your question on this post http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2010/01/2010-baltimore-tax-sales/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nico, I see you asked esentially the same question twice. I will answer your question on this post <a href="http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2010/01/2010-baltimore-tax-sales/">http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2010/01/2010-baltimore-tax-sales/</a></p>
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		<title>By: nico</title>
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		<dc:creator>nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 10:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don&#039;t understand..round1, round 2 and round3..am I allowed to bid and then see other bids and then be allowed to change bids in future rounds..in other words..do u bid n bid n bid on 1 property until &quot;the gavel falls&quot;..thank u</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don&#8217;t understand..round1, round 2 and round3..am I allowed to bid and then see other bids and then be allowed to change bids in future rounds..in other words..do u bid n bid n bid on 1 property until &#8220;the gavel falls&#8221;..thank u</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to my blog Catrena. I&#039;ll be happy to answer your question but I have to know what it is!  Leave a comment here or if you want it to be private send a comment via the contact us page. - Ned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to my blog Catrena. I&#8217;ll be happy to answer your question but I have to know what it is!  Leave a comment here or if you want it to be private send a comment via the contact us page. &#8211; Ned</p>
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		<title>By: catrena</title>
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		<dc:creator>catrena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 09:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your blog and read it often,I wanted to get one on one advice from you ,I think I&#039;m ready to make my first purchase on tax certificate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your blog and read it often,I wanted to get one on one advice from you ,I think I&#8217;m ready to make my first purchase on tax certificate.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig I will reply privately - Ned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig I will reply privately &#8211; Ned</p>
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