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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2009/02/2009-baltimore-tax-sale-date/comment-page-2/#comment-9206</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 09:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey man hows it goin its been a while. So the local tax sale is coming up &amp; for the first time i am serious about bidding. The closer it gets the more nervous i get. How often are there other liens on the property at these sales? Could i find out at the county courthouse or have to pay for a title search on every property of interest?

Also, i was curious about Over the Counter Tax Liens...how do i find these?, Is it still sold by bidding or can u purchase it outright w/o competition?, &amp; do the same rules apply for the over the counter purchases as the regular auction tax liens? 

Anyways thx as always &amp; hope to hear from u soon,

Jake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey man hows it goin its been a while. So the local tax sale is coming up &amp; for the first time i am serious about bidding. The closer it gets the more nervous i get. How often are there other liens on the property at these sales? Could i find out at the county courthouse or have to pay for a title search on every property of interest?</p>
<p>Also, i was curious about Over the Counter Tax Liens&#8230;how do i find these?, Is it still sold by bidding or can u purchase it outright w/o competition?, &amp; do the same rules apply for the over the counter purchases as the regular auction tax liens? </p>
<p>Anyways thx as always &amp; hope to hear from u soon,</p>
<p>Jake</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha. Yeah i figured i&#039;d have to find one that is vacant and free and clear. Like perhaps an unwanted inheritance property or something. Which reminds me, u know anything about acquiring and or investing in probate estate? Ive heard its a great avenue for investment but am clueless on where to start</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha. Yeah i figured i&#8217;d have to find one that is vacant and free and clear. Like perhaps an unwanted inheritance property or something. Which reminds me, u know anything about acquiring and or investing in probate estate? Ive heard its a great avenue for investment but am clueless on where to start</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, 

Approaching people in tax sale is a good strategy. Your exact strategy has a couple of flaws. 
1) You are assuming that someone who is about to lose their house will give it to you cheaply - It does happen but it is not common. 
2) A more important issue is that their will likely be other mortgages or liens against the property. They simply can&#039;t give you the property for $200. 

Yes you can do deals that way. I have. However just be aware that it is a numbers game. You may need to approach hundreds of people to find a deal that will work exactly that way. The way it will happen is to take action and start approaching those people. Good Luck - Ned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, </p>
<p>Approaching people in tax sale is a good strategy. Your exact strategy has a couple of flaws.<br />
1) You are assuming that someone who is about to lose their house will give it to you cheaply &#8211; It does happen but it is not common.<br />
2) A more important issue is that their will likely be other mortgages or liens against the property. They simply can&#8217;t give you the property for $200. </p>
<p>Yes you can do deals that way. I have. However just be aware that it is a numbers game. You may need to approach hundreds of people to find a deal that will work exactly that way. The way it will happen is to take action and start approaching those people. Good Luck &#8211; Ned</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2009/02/2009-baltimore-tax-sale-date/comment-page-2/#comment-5715</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no prob! ur so helpful i wouldnt mind voting at all. Ok cool that stuff sounds good. What do  you think of looking up the tax sales from a previous year that are about to reach the one yr mark. And say 20 sold, 15 were redeemed, and there are 5 left, then you call the owners letting them know they are about to lose their prop. Then the one or 2 that is just planning to let it go or cant come up with the funds to redeem it, you ask them to take it off their hands. You say if you will meet me up &amp; sign the deed over to me ill give u $200 for ur time just to take it off ur hands. Then if they agree, u get the deed, at the last minute pay the taxes and whatnot to redeem the property, and then the property is yours. This way u didnt have to wait out the year, u just let due process narrow the props for u then u snatch &#039;em up at the last minute. Sound good? Think it&#039;d work? Thanks! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no prob! ur so helpful i wouldnt mind voting at all. Ok cool that stuff sounds good. What do  you think of looking up the tax sales from a previous year that are about to reach the one yr mark. And say 20 sold, 15 were redeemed, and there are 5 left, then you call the owners letting them know they are about to lose their prop. Then the one or 2 that is just planning to let it go or cant come up with the funds to redeem it, you ask them to take it off their hands. You say if you will meet me up &amp; sign the deed over to me ill give u $200 for ur time just to take it off ur hands. Then if they agree, u get the deed, at the last minute pay the taxes and whatnot to redeem the property, and then the property is yours. This way u didnt have to wait out the year, u just let due process narrow the props for u then u snatch &#8216;em up at the last minute. Sound good? Think it&#8217;d work? Thanks! <img src='http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back Jake!

Yes I have gotten properties via tax sale. no I have not ever evicted anyone because I have only gotten vacant houses. I did get a court judgment on a house that did have a tenant in it, but the owner wanted to keep the house so I negotiated with him. He paid me what I was due (Taxes, Interest and legal fees)  plus another $2500. Not a bad return for a $400 lien. I could have taken the house and made an easy $10,000 but I was a nice guy and negotiated a deal with him. 

Other options, 
*Rent back to the original owner - probably not a good strategy in MD because of the homeowners in foreclosure protection act. 
*If the owner is older you could grant a life estate. That means they own it until they die and then you get it. 
*Or you could only buy liens on vacant properties or at least non owner occupied properties.

I really don&#039;t want to kick a little old lady (or anyone else) out of a home they own. I fell less concerned about taking a property from a landlord that didn&#039;t bother to pay his or her taxes.

PS: Jake can you vote for me as the best blog in Baltimore? Go to the home page here and scroll down a post or two to see how - I can rally use  the vote thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Jake!</p>
<p>Yes I have gotten properties via tax sale. no I have not ever evicted anyone because I have only gotten vacant houses. I did get a court judgment on a house that did have a tenant in it, but the owner wanted to keep the house so I negotiated with him. He paid me what I was due (Taxes, Interest and legal fees)  plus another $2500. Not a bad return for a $400 lien. I could have taken the house and made an easy $10,000 but I was a nice guy and negotiated a deal with him. </p>
<p>Other options,<br />
*Rent back to the original owner &#8211; probably not a good strategy in MD because of the homeowners in foreclosure protection act.<br />
*If the owner is older you could grant a life estate. That means they own it until they die and then you get it.<br />
*Or you could only buy liens on vacant properties or at least non owner occupied properties.</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t want to kick a little old lady (or anyone else) out of a home they own. I fell less concerned about taking a property from a landlord that didn&#8217;t bother to pay his or her taxes.</p>
<p>PS: Jake can you vote for me as the best blog in Baltimore? Go to the home page here and scroll down a post or two to see how &#8211; I can rally use  the vote thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello again sir :). I think I&#039;m about to go to my first tax sale &amp; i started thinking of it unfolding til the very end, &amp; picturing what i would do with my self. Have you actually claimed properties from tax sales and had the occupants evicted? What methods and insight could you provide to where an investor could work it out so that i would still win nicely as an investor, and the owner wouldnt be screwed? Please and thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again sir <img src='http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I think I&#8217;m about to go to my first tax sale &amp; i started thinking of it unfolding til the very end, &amp; picturing what i would do with my self. Have you actually claimed properties from tax sales and had the occupants evicted? What methods and insight could you provide to where an investor could work it out so that i would still win nicely as an investor, and the owner wouldnt be screwed? Please and thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 21:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh wow so you really have to have a heart of stone to go through with it then. Bc to do anything with the property youve got to kick the people out as well as leave them with a lot of money to pay back, &amp; them not even have collateral to back it up?...geez</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wow so you really have to have a heart of stone to go through with it then. Bc to do anything with the property youve got to kick the people out as well as leave them with a lot of money to pay back, &amp; them not even have collateral to back it up?&#8230;geez</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 21:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,

No that is not quite right. The tax lien or deed holder Does not owe the mortgage - it has been wiped out via tax lien foreclosure or tax deed sale. The previous owner of the property still owes the bank. The bank could go after the previous owner if they chose. 

My point was that the tax sale releases the property as collateral from the mortgage loan. However the borrower (the previous property owner) theoretically still owes the money, just the collateral is gone. 

Please keep in mind that I am familiar with the laws in MD however if you are talking tax deeds you are talking about a different state that may handle things differently. What I say will apply generally and in most states but you need to be familiar with the rules in the particular jurisdiction that you are buying in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>No that is not quite right. The tax lien or deed holder Does not owe the mortgage &#8211; it has been wiped out via tax lien foreclosure or tax deed sale. The previous owner of the property still owes the bank. The bank could go after the previous owner if they chose. </p>
<p>My point was that the tax sale releases the property as collateral from the mortgage loan. However the borrower (the previous property owner) theoretically still owes the money, just the collateral is gone. </p>
<p>Please keep in mind that I am familiar with the laws in MD however if you are talking tax deeds you are talking about a different state that may handle things differently. What I say will apply generally and in most states but you need to be familiar with the rules in the particular jurisdiction that you are buying in.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 10:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohhhhh i see...so wait, i thought after the redemption period is up, that u own the property free and clear? That since prop taxes have first position over mortgages, the govt wipes away the mortgage. So if u do get a tax deed, get the prop after a year, then YOU are now responsible to continue carrying the mortgage debt? 
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohhhhh i see&#8230;so wait, i thought after the redemption period is up, that u own the property free and clear? That since prop taxes have first position over mortgages, the govt wipes away the mortgage. So if u do get a tax deed, get the prop after a year, then YOU are now responsible to continue carrying the mortgage debt?<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 May 2010 19:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake,

I don&#039;t know the legalities of something like that, perhaps it could be considered a fraudulent conveyance. However I doubt that is the case, because the mortgage holder has the right to redeem to protect their interest. If the mortgage holder chooses not to redeem and protect their own interest I don&#039;t see where they would have a right to complain. 

However you must understand a tax sale wipes out any claim a mortgage holder has against the property but it  does not necessarily remove personal responsibility for the debt. When you get a &quot;mortgage&quot; there is normally two documents; a note which you are personally responsible for and a mortgage or deed of trust which makes the property collateral for the loan. Just because the collateral is gone doesn&#039;t mean the money isn&#039;t still owed. 

This actually came up recently. I got court decree giving me a tax sale property. I offered to sell it back to the previous owner saying that the mortgage was wiped out.  The lender had loans on two other properties so he didn&#039;t think it would be a good idea.

So I am not sure it is practical, but I really do like your creative thinking.  I wtote a post about something similar here &lt;a href=&quot;http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2008/11/clearing-title-with-tax-lien/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why would you foreclose on yourself?&lt;/a&gt; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the legalities of something like that, perhaps it could be considered a fraudulent conveyance. However I doubt that is the case, because the mortgage holder has the right to redeem to protect their interest. If the mortgage holder chooses not to redeem and protect their own interest I don&#8217;t see where they would have a right to complain. </p>
<p>However you must understand a tax sale wipes out any claim a mortgage holder has against the property but it  does not necessarily remove personal responsibility for the debt. When you get a &#8220;mortgage&#8221; there is normally two documents; a note which you are personally responsible for and a mortgage or deed of trust which makes the property collateral for the loan. Just because the collateral is gone doesn&#8217;t mean the money isn&#8217;t still owed. </p>
<p>This actually came up recently. I got court decree giving me a tax sale property. I offered to sell it back to the previous owner saying that the mortgage was wiped out.  The lender had loans on two other properties so he didn&#8217;t think it would be a good idea.</p>
<p>So I am not sure it is practical, but I really do like your creative thinking.  I wtote a post about something similar here <a href="http://baltimorerealestateinvestingblog.com/2008/11/clearing-title-with-tax-lien/">Why would you foreclose on yourself?</a> </p>
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